Monday, 27 April 2009
Have another female holding. It's been five days, now, so it looks like my alpha male has matured enough to make babies at 3 years old, which I'm pretty pleased about. Beta has also gotten more active and assertive recently-- toward all but the alpha, whom he doesn't appear to be ready to take on at all.
Have been so busy lately I haven't had any time to think about setting up a tumbler or to decide how long to let her hold and all of that. Looks like I'm going to have to start giving some thought to how I want to set them up as a breeding colony pretty soon, though!
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Thursday, 26 March 2009
Got my first confirmed Kapampa spawning action last night (I've seen tubes before but haven't seen any actual spawning). These guys are now getting within just a few weeks of being three years old.
In fact, they're still at it some this morning. Over the past 5 or 6 days, there's been heightened tension among a group of several of the smaller, presumably female Kaps. I interpreted that as the kind of energy that I've seen before as leading up to a spawn. So a couple of days ago I did a water change with cool water to temporarily drop the tank temperature a couple of degrees.
A couple of hours after I'd first come in and saw them doing the spawning dance, there were still no eggs being dropped. So I did an additional water change (25%), again cool water, and within just a few minutes afterward I saw my first egg drop and, yes, the female is holding this morning.
Now it's wait and see. The male is still young, so whether he is mature enough to fertilize the eggs is iffy at this age, plus front keepers often go through a period of unsuccessful spawning before they actually get fry. So, I'm strangely calm about this new development! Not sure if it's because I've done so much breeding of other fish over the years that it's a result of practiced patience or simply knowing that this may be just a first step and that it may take a while before I actually get some fry... but I'm happy with this development in any case! 
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Thursday, 16 October 2008
Well, here's a little tidbit. Everything was good in my Kapampa tank. As I mentioned in my last entry, not long ago I put a (beautiful) ob peacock in there with them along with doing some minor rock arranging because the Kaps alone were scuffing each other up pretty bad. The peacock is a fry from the male in my avatar and looks very similar to him (even more red/orange to him, just a line I developed a while back)
All was nice and relatively peaceful, the peacock and fronts not bothering each other and the fronts settled down considerably. Then I decided to put a female ob peacock in there because she was causing trouble in another tank and I knew she'd have to settle down in there with the bigger fronts and the bigger, but fairly peaceful male peacock. Plus, who knows, maybe she'd spawn with him, where she didn't with the male in her former tank.
Now what you might expect from peacocks and what I was watching for was the male peacock to get fired up to spawn and try and dominate the tank, a common peacock behavior, but no problem in this case. He did chase the female, which I kind of wanted to get the mean streak out of her, but left the fronts alone. So all was going according to my master plan...
Until-- Turns out the alpha Kap did not like the male peacock chasing around, and he wasn't even doing it constantly. But, come home one day and the male peacock is cringing in a corner with a torn eye. A little careful observation, and it's obvious that anytime the alpha Kap gets anywhere in his vicinity, the peacock freaks, which is what tells me the alpha Kap is the one who laid down the law to him. I've had peacocks in this tank for 95% of the time and he'd always been perfectly peaceful to them.
SO-- the damaged peacock needed a quiet place to go to heal, which meant not much point keeping the female peacock in that tank, which left the fronts to themselves in the tank again. And again I start seeing scuffs on the fronts, which led me to put a ngara in with them (who's been in their tank before) with a little concern over whether the alpha Kap would now tolerate another male peacock.
But, no problem. Now all is quiet and back to normal again with the ngara minding his business and the Kaps minding theirs. I've heard of people having to remove a rambunctious fish for the good of the fronts because it was stressing them, but in this case it looks like any tankmates for these Kaps better stay in line for the sake of their safety!
...And for whatever reason, so far, these Kaps are less likely to damage each other if there's another fish or two in there with them.
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Saturday, 01 March 2008
Interesting thing happened recently with my Burundi, in terms of feeding and behavior. My normal staple feeding for them has been Omega One color pellets or cichlid pellets, with treats of Omega One shrimp pellets and various species of freeze dried shrimp.
(The color pellets are totally natural and don't have added or artificial 'color enhancers' or result in whacked out colors. They reason they call them 'color pellets' is they have whole salmon, including the skins, as the #1 ingredient.)
Anyway, for whatever whim I had, I'd left off feeding the Omega One pellets to the Burundi and was trying to get them on NLS Thera-A, which the alpha just plain doesn't care for and the other Burundi like only on occasion-- tried for a couple of weeks, actually, including not feeding for a couple of days to get them hungry, etc. etc.
Well, they were gradually coming out less and less, to the point they were all sulking behind some large rocks and not coming out at all, even at feeding time, which normally makes them pretty active. They were getting more and more like this for the past two or three weeks, when a few days ago I began to wonder if they were pouting over the food. So, I decided to go back to their normal favorite food (the alpha, especially, loves the stuff)... and guess what? Within a couple of days they were back to normal, more active, enthusiastic at feeding time etc.
Now this isn't meant to say Omega One is good and NLS is bad or anything like that. I like them both and I've done a LOT of food testing. My Kaps like the Thera-A just fine, and my rotkeil loves the stuff. (Thera-A seems to be good for color also) The point is how much their behavior was affected over not being fed their favorite food for a while!!! I found that pretty interesting.
...Just a note on the Burundi spawn a month ago. Female held a little longer than in the past, but still only 2-1/2 days, indicating the eggs still weren't fertile. The male is still too young, no doubt, being less than 3 years old.
Since I'm keeping a limit on how many tanks I want to take care of right now, I sometimes eye the Burundi tank with thoughts of doing something else with it-- I have the Kaps, which are more what I wanted in the first place, and they aren't that far behind in age, size, etc, considering the fronts are a several year project in the first place. Then again, the Burundi alpha has gotten to be a cool fish...
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Thursday, 17 January 2008
Burundis are spawning today. Started last night, actually, though in a somewhat disorganized fashion. Tube down, with the alpha doing as much chasing of everyone in the tank, including the female, as anything else, but now they are down to serious business and the female already has a bulging mouth.
This will be the first time since I put the female back in the Burundi tank a month ago. This time the male is much more aggressive about the whole process. That's to say, compared with the first couple of times when he seemed a bit confused and it was almost like the female had to slap him every so often, like Hey! You need to concentrate here!
The male may well not yet be mature enough to successfully fertilize the eggs, since they are just nearing 2-1/2 years old now (males would typically need to be 3 or 4), but he's also now pretty easily 9 inches with a nice big hump. So, we'll see.
Tried to take some pics-- but the tank is near due for a water change, with some light algae clouding the glass a bit and they are pretty much hidden behind a rock. Plus if I move around or too close to the tank the male gets distracted, so the pics are secondary to letting them do their thing.
Almost forgot-- another Kapampa has had a tube down for a couple of days. Nothing resembling spawning activity though, at least when I've been around-- but they are still quite young yet.
In any case-- signs that my patience while all of these guys grow up may be rewarded eventually!
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Wednesday, 26 December 2007
Spotted my first tube down on my Kapampa colony! They are now about one year and 8 or 9 months. I've kind of been on the lookout since my little female Burundi first spawned at less than 18 months and for the past couple of days the alpha has been a little more aggressive than usual, nothing major, but doing some chasing.
(No Burundi fry yet since the Burundi alpha is still too young-- that's what I expect from the Kaps as well. Still, it's a milestone, nonetheless.) Added an extra light to try and get a pic of the tube down female. I usually have only a 24" bulb on their 6 foot tank. I haven't taken pics of the Kaps for more than six months, so the new lighting seems to have spooked them a bit... they're starting to peek out a little now.
Will update if I see any actual spawning.
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Thursday, 13 December 2007
Well, I traded my beta Burundi male in last week and put my little female that had been spawning back in their tank. So I now have a trio in there-- an alpha male, a definite female, and one other Burundi that may or may not be just a smaller male-- it hasn't shown a tube or attempted to spawn yet.
They were doing fine as a quad until a couple of months ago when both males, especially the beta, were harassing the female a bit too much and I put her temporarily in the Kapampa tank. She mostly hid for the first five or six days after being netted and put back into her original tank, in fact the other two fronts stayed out of sight quite a bit as well, the alpha coming out at times. But they seem to back to normal now and were all out and about last night. The female has settled back in without any real fuss on the part of the other fronts in the group. There are enough rocks and hiding places for each one to have their own spot.
The female did actually produce eggs once in the Kapampa tank and the alpha Kap did kind of hang around and 'study' her some, but the Kaps are young yet and there wasn't any real spawning activity, just the female eventually releasing a few of her eggs. So it will be interesting to see when she might attempt to spawn again back with her little group of Burundis.
The Burundis are just a little over two years old, meaning the male should still be too young to fertilize the eggs for a while. After the first spawn I had toyed with the idea of getting a more mature male to spawn with her, but I've been busy with other things, and with the current group getting along pretty well I've been content to leave well enough alone for now and just enjoy the fact they are a peaceful group without any problems.
For now they are in a 75 gallon tank (I'd actually downsized my fish a while back and, right now, that's what's available to them) which is why the two big males were a bit much for the female. At this point three of them fit fine in there for now and have grown well and are doing well. But decisions are ahead at some point as to how long I'm going to keep them, since I also have my Kapampa group and I originally had intended to do one group of one of the blue frontosa varieties. I wouldn't want to still have them in a 75 when one day they are 12-14 inch fish!
I sometimes get tempted to do something else with that tank-- I have projects either going or in the works for my house and property and right now I'm not up for adding more tanks to my house... well, maybe
one more at some point
--but then I've been enjoying the Burundi too! So, we'll see...
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Sunday, 11 November 2007
Bringing the Kapampas up to date--
Growth:
At one year the alpha was about six inches, and now (close to 18 months) he's about 7". A couple of the others are 6 inches or slightly over, but not as tall bodied as the alpha (the largest or most dominant front). The nine Kaps vary quite a bit in size, a couple of them are approximately 4 inches, likely females. This seems to be typical.
I would describe my group as having three tiers, size wise. The alpha is alone at the top. There is a middle tier that varies in size, from one to two inches smaller than the alpha. Then there are three fish that are considerably smaller than the rest and very close in size to each other.
Behavior:
For the first year, any squabbling within the group was done among the lesser colony members, while the alpha acted serenely above it all, like he knew he owned the whole tank anyway, so why worry? But for the past couple of months he seems more interested in asserting his dominance and reminding other fish who's boss of the tank. He's mostly pretty gentle about it, basically chases other fish from his space when he's in the mood, if they get too close, etc. Sometimes it's nothing more than tipping his nose to send the other fish away. In some moods he'll actually chase others around a bit.
Most of the squabbling seems to take place between similar sized fish. One interesting thing I've noticed is both these and the Burundi will often close their fins rather than flare them when they're really getting ready to rumble.There's really no outright fighting so far, like you might see in peacocks, for example, so by squabbling I mean some posturing and minor pushing matches with mouths wide open.
(My two Burundi males have actually lip-locked and tussled briefly on rare occasions, but they prefer to have stare downs or whose got the biggest mouth contests, with little real contact. Fronts are capable of serious fighting and can do some real damage, though. I've seen videos of fronts really getting into it, which can be an impressive sight with two large fish, and a mean male can beat up or kill rivals and even females.)
The alpha still doesn't claim any particular spot, but one of the next largest fish has always had a spot behind a large rock he likes and will often run other fish off, except the alpha, who goes where he wants. One of the smallest fish has also always liked to claim a spot as well, right from the start as a one inch fish.
The Kapampa colony is actually quite active at times, with a lot of displaying, chasing, rearranging sand, etc.. Other times they will just quietly cruise around the tank or simply hang in space for a while.
BTW, I have a nice male ngara in their tank. He seems to think he's a member of the colony and acts just like he's one of the other fronts. There also happens to be a female Z rock lithobates in there and she seems to know she's not a front...
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Saturday, 29 September 2007
Ok, to bring the Burundi up to the present-- I was moving fish around today and decided to measure the two male Burundi since they are now two years old. The alpha measured 8.5 inches and the beta 7.75 inches. At one year they were just a bit over and a bit under 6 inches, so they grew about 2 inches during the second year. (It's typical for their growth to slow down after the first year, often to an inch a year or so.)
The one female has continued to spawn every so often, but no fry yet. Male is quite likely still immature, at two years. Last time (month ago) the gravid (with eggs) female looked like she was getting ready to spawn, both males were displaying or chasing her to the point she had little peace. The alpha was actually more peaceful toward her, but then the beta would come and challenge and the alpha would run them both off, after which the beta would chase her. So rather than let her get too stressed, or get damaged, I put her in with the Kapampa temporarily. At one year, they are too young to breed and she seemed to slide right in with no reaction from the Kapapmpa colony.
At some point I need to remove one of the male Burundi (likely the beta, he seems less gentle, but I've been busy and haven't come to that decision yet) so I can put the female back and give her opportunity to spawn again.
Also moved a red-headed severum (Heros rotkeil) from the Burundi tank. I rescued him from a too small tank at a lfs a year ago. They had him in a 15 gallon tank for several months and he killed whatever they put with him in that small tank, so no one wanted him because the lfs kept warning people how aggressive he was.
He has never liked the fronts, it appears as though he takes offense at the bold stripes as a sign of aggression in rotkeil-speak, since he didn't seem to bother with other fish in the tank much. (though in some cases severum and fronts get along, I've done it with green and gold severums before; maybe the difference is being rotkeil?) A year ago it was a standoff, but with the fronts being bigger the severum now gets the worst of it when he challenges them and usually has nipped fins as a result, while the fronts look pristine. His red brightened up quite a bit after an hour in the new tank with a few Malawi and so far he seems pretty content.
One of these days I'll try and get some Burundi pics posted!
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Thursday, 20 September 2007
Jumping ahead to about 15 months old for the Burundi. What the?!?
I'd done plenty of reading on breeding fronts and just about everything I've read was 2-4 years before they breed, or that females can spawn at about 2 years and males 3 or 4 years. But there they are one afternoon, the alpha male and the smallest female are acting suspiciously like spawning behavior.
Now I hadn't spawned cyphos before, but had bred plenty of other fish and I know what I'm seeing-- a bit of circling, a bit of chasing, beta male also displaying but being kept at bay by the alpha. Now I'd read of some females that seem to practice holding-- air bubbles, bit of food, etc. So I'm thinking: Is this just practice or something? I mean, besides their young age, the female doesn't look fat enough to have any eggs.
But the answer comes shortly as things are moving right along and the real spawning dance starts... and sure enough, the female drops a couple of eggs. It's obvious they are inexperienced, though. The male (about 6.5 inches at this point) keeps getting distracted and the little female (about 4 inches) lunges at him to get his attention back. This goes on for maybe ten minutes then subsides for about 45 minutes until they start up again.
All in all, she dropped about 12 eggs or so and the male appears to fertilize them. I get on cyphos.com to report this and ask about them spawning so young and pretty much no one says they've seen it that young, maybe more like 18 months for some females. So I check my records and, yes, they are 15-16 months old.
Well, I guess there must be something right with their water conditions, nutrition, etc., and it probably doesn't hurt that at the time I had a regularly spawning pair of Z Rock Lithobates (pheremones, you know). But the thing is, even if the female is starting up a bit early, the male still needs to be older. So, by about 36 hours (happened late afternoon, so this is the second morning), no more eggs being tumbled.
But I was enthused anyway at the attempt! And I also know at this point I have one definite female! (and two definite males)
neutrinoman posted @ 23:15 -
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